Curse

dragondevil · Jan 04, 2007, 10:52 PM // 22:52

Buckle up

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I do not think that even though an issue has been discussed here before it can be pronounced finished. I seriously wish the search and other components of the site were a lot quicker to enable a greater gathering and perusal of all the information that has been dicussed or is available (auctions) but is extremely time consuming as is.

I would like to suggest that the demographics will change over time. I see it now that gaming, what was once the domain of children or geekaziods, is now becoming mainstream. As we age we do not lose are appetite for fun and excitement and having been given the opportunity to thoroughly embrace gaming a majority of the audience is aging. I am perhaps part of an elite, in senior levels, that does just that. What appears as engaging and spikes obsessive drive and passion in pursuit of some attainables becomes hohum and bordering on mundane or those of a greater experience levels.

As an active sr. member of the federal administration my time is precious, just as it is for most people, including that which is designated for entertainment and diversion.

I would like to see in my games some level of successes and being able to reach an attainable goal that is not precluded by extreme investments in time that might be available to exclusively a younger, more at leisure, group. I have for the most part thoroughly enjoyed Guild Wars since its initial distribution up until about 2 and a half months ago when the constant nerfing and apparent lack of foresightedness diminished its capacity to enthrall.

I was recently involved in a discussion petitioning to allow ensignias to be included in Tyrian armor (my concern is that I have tatoos that do not accept some of these). The majority supported the contention but the dissention was predominantly suggesting it is a different expansion/game/version and should be kept separate.

In contending with the pertinenance of this fact, I have noticed serious increases in enemy AI and dmg in Tyria itself, I assume to deal with any new capacities and powers that might have been acquired for those crossing-over to farm or complete quests, etc which hardly seems fair for those that choose to maintain Tyrian components. Attempting to cap out for the 1st title in elite skills, an on-going struggle, I witnessed capabilities hitherto unknown in the enemies, a tremendous power of dmg that even just recently was not there. Just as the when anet/ncsoft decided they no longer wanted ppl to farm in SF they gave the dwarves fantastic speed and damage without them even executing an enchantment. Really!! Since the old game is nerfed due to factions/nf cqapabilities the corollary should be made righteous and include in tyrian armor and all other things similar capcities. Why are my 20% recharge and casting times nerfed? They never ever work compared to my nf items.

For someone with an an ounce or two of experience in the real world it, gets tired really fast.

I do not expect most to be able to follow this to its logical conclusion but,... so what?... custo's bow or victo's maul is farmed out. The worst that can happen is that the price will go down and everyone (ok not everyone you predictable pouncers) will have the capabilites assigned to that item. On the other hand if you let the 1st 3000 ppl get one easily then the next 3000 make it harder and so on, eventually while the price will be maintained but it becomes another nail in the coffin of being inveted to farm and then having the door shut on your face (may work for students but not others), it is not as if someone has a vested interest in tightening the market, except those merely interested in selling items in which case they should get what they can and mnove on to the next new thing. The newer version of the game will apparently merely just increase those attributes anyway so what is the big deal with preventing farming for all?

1) If it is anet who is responsible they should return the dmg model and AI to reasonable levels. It does not make me want to buy the newest game, sorry.

2) Time is money. If I can not make head way in what I quest for in my entertainment, I will simply cut my losses and turn elsewhere. Stop the autocratic overmanagement of the game. Maybe there is an underlying belief or principles governing their actions but it will fall short, fast. Already I find much very predictable in the franchise.

3) The chests still suck!!! At the end of my gaming day and into the next, am I anticipating what treasures I may find? Do I eagerly await my next freetime missions? Not at all, it's all pretty well crap.

4) Online realtime kick voting coupled with a necessity to complete the mission with all active party members, unless all agree to resign, in order to acquire the quest/misson and any bonuses. How many afk's and quitters do we have to endure???

5) So you go into a region 20 times to cap and the boss you want to examine (maybe you already have it) has not spawned. Over and over and over again you have to do the same crap, lovely since they dont want you to succeed, just to cap a skill you'll probably never use (elite). This is getting to be a big time waster. How about allowing skill changing in the field or is that too difficult to get your mind around? If they werent so many barriers to enjoyment this could make it quite fun while there are still so many other interesting things to do in the game.

6) Guru either let a discussion complete to its logical conclusion without worrying about someone getting hyped, of course excepting those that can not control themselves in using profanity, derogatory remarks, mean-spirited spitefulness or hate oriented material, etc., or actively moderate and interject to keep topics on track and unburdened with subterfuge and evasiveness.

7) Character editing. a) How about the ability to create custom dances or moves? b) Somedays I feel uglier than the monsters I am killing and would like to express that.

8) I paid good money to become an elite member (hopefully to get some better servers) and imagined like most good business that it would be taken care of for me, I am still not sure what I have to do following the instructions that have been laid out for me LOL. I do not expect it to be as professional as any of the otehr sites I am a full member of but really hate having to sign on here and there and do this and that. If you want serious membership that whole process whould be examined and streamlined.

Let's not be too GW centric here, there are a whole host of other activities and concerns in our daily lives that a little polish would go a long way.

Loviatar · Jan 04, 2007, 11:00 PM // 23:00

stickies are your friend

forum rules

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Always use the search button before posting a new thread to see if your ideas been suggested before.
Always check the stickied Index of Ideas to see if your idea can be found in there.
If your idea is a slight change of another suggestion that's already been suggested, don't post a new thread on it, post it in the existing thread and continue the discussion over the general idea.
Make sure your thread titles list your idea. Don't post threads with vague titles like "Greatest Suggestion Yet" when only in your post do you discuss your suggestion. Make sure your thread title states your idea, to keep things organized and less confusing.
The practice of posting simple 'bumps' to threads when nobody is responding is discouraged here, and threads seen being 'bumped' without good reason and nothing new to add, will be closed. If you are going to 'bump' a thread, do so after a reasonable amount of time, and let your 'bump' post contribute something to the thread rather than simply taking the thread up to the top of the forum.
Do not post "A Few Ideas" threads. If you have more than one idea ---first double check with the search button and the index thread to make sure they're fresh suggestions, and create a separate thread for each one with a relevant title.
If you don't feel like creating a separate thread for each suggestion you have, post all of them in the Index of Ideas thread stickied at the top of the forum.
Of course, keep this to suggestions only. Not builds, not rants or PvP vs PvE discussions, etc. This is the suggestions forum.
Use the Search Button and check the Index thread to make sure you're not repeating an idea.
Do it again.

Antheus · Jan 04, 2007, 11:08 PM // 23:08

Cliff notes:
- Inscriptions and tyrian armor
- Something about AI
- Something about broken drops and overfarming (FFS it doesn't work like that)
1) Something about increased mob damage (???)
2) A nonsense about getting stuck in a mission which is caused by Anet not open-sourcing the game (???)
3) Chests suck
4) /kick - beaten to death, signed off as a bad idea too many times
5) Elite skills and random spawns
6) Rant about internet forums
7) 3rd party avatar customization. Not going to happen (see User created content legislation)
8) Rant about GW guru

So, why exactly was this endless whine needed?

Elaborations over pertaining issues, either perceived or factual - supported, argumented or not, when put into different contexts do not help enforce the issues that pertain to you. Questioning the truthful motivation and reasoning behind such in-depth analysis of mostly already dismissed issues, topics not pertaining to GW itself and eventually, even purposfully violating the rules of posting, as per this thread's title, I really fail to see the real reason for this.

Shortly put: Dead horse asks to be left alone.

dragondevil · Jan 04, 2007, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Cliff notes:
- Inscriptions and tyrian armor
- Something about AI
- Something about broken drops and overfarming (FFS it doesn't work like that)
1) Something about increased mob damage (???)
2) A nonsense about getting stuck in a mission which is caused by Anet not open-sourcing the game (???)
3) Chests suck
4) /kick - beaten to death, signed off as a bad idea too many times
5) Elite skills and random spawns
6) Rant about internet forums
7) 3rd party avatar customization. Not going to happen (see User created content legislation)
8) Rant about GW guru

So, why exactly was this endless whine needed?

Elaborations over pertaining issues, either perceived or factual - supported, argumented or not, when put into different contexts do not help enforce the issues that pertain to you. Questioning the truthful motivation and reasoning behind such in-depth analysis of mostly already dismissed issues, topics not pertaining to GW itself and eventually, even purposfully violating the rules of posting, as per this thread's title, I really fail to see the real reason for this.

Shortly put: Dead horse asks to be left alone.

Iam imaging then that those words, ever used so often here "whine" and "rant" are because individuals can not properly discuss ideas and do not know what to say but feel like they have contributed.

I have to admit a rather quick post without much thought provided.

What has been added to 1), 2), 3),.. well basically I can not understand the rest if possible could you take a little time to elaborate? I'd also appreciate that if time taken you not add your wine that someone else is whinning lol.

As mentioned early a rant is a when those expound without allowing any input or due consideration.

dragondevil · Jan 04, 2007, 11:34 PM // 23:34

As sited earlier there is a whole other world out there. I have no problem doing as suggested here on other sites, but then again most other sites have a real catagorized system.

I never expected it to be as sophisticated however a little license and flexibility is due. In providing this reiteration have you actually been able to with the system find al the relvent posts or is it just the norm to reply quick without considerations?

mega_jamie · Jan 04, 2007, 11:37 PM // 23:37

The problem is probably because you made a "Hey look at my 1000 suggestions" thread, when the rules stipulate not to, which is already asking for a flaming from some of the hotter tempered members around these parts.

Yes you put effort in, which is more than can be said for a "please fix these noooowwww" thread, but your several ideas can all be found lurking around in other threads, this one is a waste of forum bandwidth and people's time.

Soon a moderator will show up, and proboably lock your thread base don its titel, regardless of us backseat-moderators that crave power, and so nobody sees the need to have an inteligable conversation here.

Also a double-post is a no no, use the edit > people would have alot more respect for you and respond in less flamey ways if you followed the rules

dragondevil · Jan 04, 2007, 11:40 PM // 23:40

Note to Cliff:

Sorry you thought it would all be so easy...
- I still dont understand "war and peace"
- fudged exam but got in to university anyway
- still have crummy job
- owe lots of money
- found home as web advisor

Loviatar · Jan 04, 2007, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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As sited earlier there is a whole other world out there. I have no problem doing as suggested here on other sites, but then again most other sites have a real catagorized system.
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search used to be good but it is whacked right now

here is the main problem that are causing the negative reactions.

[QUOTE]Do not post "A Few Ideas" threads. If you have more than one idea ---first double check with the search button and the index thread to make sure they're fresh suggestions, and create a separate thread for each one with a relevant title.
If you don't feel like creating a separate thread for each suggestion you have, post all of them in the Index of Ideas thread stickied at the top of the forum.[/QUOTE]

dragondevil · Jan 04, 2007, 11:46 PM // 23:46

Thank you I am no stranger to forums and communities, but it is heartening to hear your words.

No there needs to be some sort of exchange here that suggests more than just gladhanding and fangurls is being performed.

I have no doubt about the end result in terms of being dx'd, but you know from this day forward when you have but your thoughts to keep you company,... would you not like to be able to harken back and do what needs to be done?

dragondevil · Jan 04, 2007, 11:54 PM // 23:54

Ok being way worse an a geek, which is not as bad as an engineer, which is not as bad as an analyst, which has nothing on an IT investigator, bandwidth is comm pipe width and has nothing to do with using a very lil amount of storage on a server. Of course you now this is merely stored as simple test in about the size range of 2k. It would be the RAD tools used to develop the site that are not optimized but best used for proof of concept and client demonstrations rather than actually building live sites, they dont handle large anything very well and multi jointed tables are nuts.

Bandwidth has to do with comm architecture which is already evidentially limited.

Enko · Jan 05, 2007, 01:59 AM // 01:59

For someone who claims they're a senior federal employee, you sure could use some work on your grammar and spelling . ..

anyways to go on to your post:

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Originally Posted by dragondevil

I was recently involved in a discussion petitioning to allow ensignias to be included in Tyrian armor (my concern is that I have tatoos that do not accept some of these). The majority supported the contention but the dissention was predominantly suggesting it is a different expansion/game/version and should be kept separate.

The only argument I've seen for adding insignias to pre-NF armor was for people who had bought FoW armor and can't change it now. While insignia enabled armor would be useful for Tyrian and Canthan armor, there's really not much need for it as you can already buy the armors that have the desired mods. The only thing I can think of to enable it would be able to wear one type of armor while still being able to use the stats of any other armor. Only way they would be able to change this now would be to not allow people to salvage insignias out of all of the current armors that are out there for the same reasons why we can't salvage weapon upgrades off of bonus items, weaponsmith items, or quest rewards. They probably could change it if they wanted to but Anet has pretty much stated already that Prophecies is a finished game and they're not going to change anything in it.

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Originally Posted by dragondevil

In contending with the pertinenance of this fact, I have noticed serious increases in enemy AI and dmg in Tyria itself, I assume to deal with any new capacities and powers that might have been acquired for those crossing-over to farm or complete quests, etc which hardly seems fair for those that choose to maintain Tyrian components. Attempting to cap out for the 1st title in elite skills, an on-going struggle, I witnessed capabilities hitherto unknown in the enemies, a tremendous power of dmg that even just recently was not there. Just as the when anet/ncsoft decided they no longer wanted ppl to farm in SF they gave the dwarves fantastic speed and damage without them even executing an enchantment. Really!! Since the old game is nerfed due to factions/nf cqapabilities the corollary should be made righteous and include in tyrian armor and all other things similar capcities. Why are my 20% recharge and casting times nerfed? They never ever work compared to my nf items.

What are you talking about? I'm still using the same wands and offhands I had from Prophecies and there's nothing wrong with the 20% HCT and HRT mods.

If Sorrow's Furnace and Grenth's Footprint is too difficult for you to cap the Elites in, why cap them there? I can't think of any Elite that is exclusive to that area. What type of build are you using to attempt to clear the area? Your complaint is the first I have heard of changes to SF and to the Tyrian HCT and HRT mods.

The only major change that happened to Prophecies and Factions is that they became incredibly easy games to beat with the introduction of NF heroes. While both games were beatable with Master's on all missions with henchies, it still took some skill and perseverance to get through. Now with heroes, you can pretty much steamroll through them.

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Originally Posted by dragondevil

I do not expect most to be able to follow this to its logical conclusion but,... so what?... custo's bow or victo's maul is farmed out. The worst that can happen is that the price will go down and everyone (ok not everyone you predictable pouncers) will have the capabilites assigned to that item. On the other hand if you let the 1st 3000 ppl get one easily then the next 3000 make it harder and so on, eventually while the price will be maintained but it becomes another nail in the coffin of being inveted to farm and then having the door shut on your face (may work for students but not others), it is not as if someone has a vested interest in tightening the market, except those merely interested in selling items in which case they should get what they can and mnove on to the next new thing. The newer version of the game will apparently merely just increase those attributes anyway so what is the big deal with preventing farming for all?

Again, what are you talking about? If you're referring to the anti-farming code, that's not how it works. Unless Gaile Grey is wrong (which isn't impossible but she has more information than we have on how it works), that's not how it works. The code only affects your instances. If there's hundreds of other people farming the same area, its not going to affect your drops. The only thing that will make your drops go down is if you continually farm the same area for hours. This is directed at the bots who are usually left on for as long as possible. For most players, it won't affect them at all. Green drops are for the most part completely random (the ones that aren't are things like Kanaxai's or Urgoz's). There's a % chance for it to drop and if that chance is successful then it gets randomized for the size of your party. Are you sure you're not seeing the green drops because you're running with 7 henchies/heroes?

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Originally Posted by dragondevil

1) If it is anet who is responsible they should return the dmg model and AI to reasonable levels. It does not make me want to buy the newest game, sorry.

Referring to your SF example, I just cleared that area out and didn't notice anything different.

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Originally Posted by dragondevil

2) Time is money. If I can not make head way in what I quest for in my entertainment, I will simply cut my losses and turn elsewhere. Stop the autocratic overmanagement of the game. Maybe there is an underlying belief or principles governing their actions but it will fall short, fast. Already I find much very predictable in the franchise.

Pretty much anything in the PvE side of the game doesn't take that long to achieve. If you're talking about the skill balances (nerfs and buffs) when mentioning the "overmanagement", those balances come from what they see in ladder and in gameplay.

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Originally Posted by dragondevil

3) The chests still suck!!! At the end of my gaming day and into the next, am I anticipating what treasures I may find? Do I eagerly await my next freetime missions? Not at all, it's all pretty well crap.

Were you expecting rare, expensive items to drop every time? If they did, those items wouldn't be rare and expensive anymore. The people who make money from chest running almost all have to run hundreds to thousands of chests to get those expensive drops. Even without getting expensive drops, overall chest running is still profitable. Sure, you could be lucky and get the drop right away but, for the most part, chest drops won't be the greatest.
If you're looking for items to use and don't mind what skin the item is, just use the collector or weaponsmith items. That's what they are there for. I use them just because they save time outfitting 15 heroes.

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4) Online realtime kick voting coupled with a necessity to complete the mission with all active party members, unless all agree to resign, in order to acquire the quest/misson and any bonuses. How many afk's and quitters do we have to endure???

While I agree that something is needed to deal with afkers and quitters in places like RA or Fort Aspenwood, how would you propose they go about these changes?

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Originally Posted by dragondevil

5) So you go into a region 20 times to cap and the boss you want to examine (maybe you already have it) has not spawned. Over and over and over again you have to do the same crap, lovely since they dont want you to succeed, just to cap a skill you'll probably never use (elite). This is getting to be a big time waster. How about allowing skill changing in the field or is that too difficult to get your mind around? If they werent so many barriers to enjoyment this could make it quite fun while there are still so many other interesting things to do in the game.

I have never had a problem with a boss not spawning. Bosses always spawn in the same place with the exception of a few. And those bosses still have set spawn points; the bosses in the zone just are randomly placed on them. There are also a few bosses that won't spawn if you have not completed some quests or have some quests active. Which bosses are you having a problem with as I have never had any problems getting all 290 capturable Elites.

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Originally Posted by dragondevil

6) Guru either let a discussion complete to its logical conclusion without worrying about someone getting hyped, of course excepting those that can not control themselves in using profanity, derogatory remarks, mean-spirited spitefulness or hate oriented material, etc., or actively moderate and interject to keep topics on track and unburdened with subterfuge and evasiveness.

What's the point of letting threads that have just turned into flame wars to continue? The threads that I have seen locked are ones that 1) are already discussed elsewhere, 2) have dissolved into flame wars, 3) are either stupid and/or pointless. The mods do a fairly good job on Guru.

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7) Character editing. a) How about the ability to create custom dances or moves? b) Somedays I feel uglier than the monsters I am killing and would like to express that.

I'll agree that a little more character customization could be useful. Though some things like custom dances, I'm not sure how that could be implemented. Haven't seen any game that has dances that you can design yourself. Don't know why there's a point a and b as they seem unrelated. By your statement, you feel uglier than the monsters and want everyone to know that you're ugly . ..

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Originally Posted by dragondevil

8) I paid good money to become an elite member (hopefully to get some better servers) and imagined like most good business that it would be taken care of for me, I am still not sure what I have to do following the instructions that have been laid out for me LOL. I do not expect it to be as professional as any of the otehr sites I am a full member of but really hate having to sign on here and there and do this and that. If you want serious membership that whole process whould be examined and streamlined.

The membership costs for Guru go for the upkeep of the site. That costs plenty of money. I'm sure the owner of the site would love to get newer servers if they could warrant the cost and could afford it.

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Originally Posted by dragondevil

Let's not be too GW centric here, there are a whole host of other activities and concerns in our daily lives that a little polish would go a long way.

I agree. Just as I think a little polish while posting would go a long way towards getting your point across.

Undivine · Jan 05, 2007, 05:44 AM // 05:44

As people have pointed out, the forum rules stipulate you mustn't post a thread with multiple arbitrary suggestions under one heading. Either find existing threads with those suggestions and continue your discussion there, post your own suggestions in separate threads, or just make a quick suggestion in the Index of Ideas thread.

We need to limit threads like yours for various reasons. Not so much bandwidth, but clutter. Imagine someone trying to search for a specific topic. How are they to know you had a lengthy discussion on it but buried that discussion in your 8-suggestion thread?

Furthermore, if you are going to list your suggestions all in one thread then you can expect your answers to be similarly listed and then we have 8 discussions going on in every post. Because it takes time and effort to think about each suggestion, you can also expect people to give you short, blunt responses to each. Either that, or people will zero in on the subject that concerns them the most and then we have a plethora of different topics within one thread.

Besides all of that, your suggestions are rather broad. You aren't terribly specific about what exactly you mean. Try to remember that people don't always feel the same way you do. #2 for example is rather vague and I don't know what you are suggesting there, nor even exactly what you are complaining about.

That is why we have that rule.

We also have a rule on double posting. If you reply to a post, then immediately reply to another post, just edit your last post! I see your name twice in a row in several instances on this thread.

Incidentally, my own responses: I suspect the main reason why old armor cannot accept insignias isn't because they are somehow justified as being Tyrian or Canthan, but simply because it takes far too much time an effort for ANet to retroactively correct them. Remember when Factions came out and ANet decided to buff the armor? Well it took them like a week or two to correct old armors. This whole insignia business may be far more complicated than that. I mean, you have to take the stats of all the old armors and then translate those stats into removable insignias. Quite a lengthy process. Perhaps they are working on it now. Perhaps they don't plan on doing it at all. Keep in mind how difficult it may be to accomplish such things.

Most people who discuss AI on these forums want it improved and applaud ANet when they do so. I have seen some people like yourself though, who want the AI to be dumber again.

Chests do suck. Buried Treasure is awesome though.

My response to # 4 is this. You would have found it had you look in the Index of Ideas I referenced earlier.

To # 5, I'm not sure how changing your skills in the field would solve any issue with the way the bosses spawn, but here is a thread on in-area skill changes. There are actually several threads like it.

# 6 is not even a game suggestion. I you have any suggestions about GWGuru, go here.

To # 7, there is a thread on custom emotes, although I believe that's not what you had in mind. Creating custom dances sounds like they need to have a whole development team just to do that.

# 8 is, again, very vague. How are you an elite member? How can you somehow get more privileges than the rest of us? And what exactly are you suggesting in the first place?

See how most of my responses refer to other threads and locations within our site? Give this forum a look through. We want you to browse it before you post away. Imagine if nobody did that (heh, like we need to imagine). Do people really need to carry a discussion about the same topic in 10 different threads? It was extremely annoying during the whole "Nerf the Touch Ranger!" phase and it is highly discouraged here. We close redundant threads.

And now I'm closing this one. It should be clear by now why I am doing so.